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	<description>Thoughts and Reflections from Vinnie Vrotny</description>
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		<title>Comment on Growing Pains at NECC&#8217;s EduBloggerCon 08 by Flexknowlogy &#187; Ideas for TTIX 09 from Edubloggercon 08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flexknowlogy &#187; Ideas for TTIX 09 from Edubloggercon 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vinnie Vrotny It felt more like Monday than Saturday&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Growing Pains at NECC&#8217;s EduBloggerCon 08 by Terry Freedman</title>
		<link>http://vvrotny.edublogs.org/2008/06/29/growing-pains-at-neccs-edubloggercon-08/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Vinnie. You have helped me to understand some of the undercurrents I thought I was picking up, although it is hard to be completely clear when you're reading tweets and watching streaming video.

I wasn't at the edubloggercon last year, but I enjoyed the bloggers' cafe enormously. I think the difference this year is partly the numbers, and partly a loss of innocence: lots of good things happened by serendipity last year, and because nobody was expecting anything, nobody seemed to have hidden agendas like self-promotion -- which I don't know is objectively the case by the way.

Perhaps everyone is just trying too hard to make it exciting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Vinnie. You have helped me to understand some of the undercurrents I thought I was picking up, although it is hard to be completely clear when you&#8217;re reading tweets and watching streaming video.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t at the edubloggercon last year, but I enjoyed the bloggers&#8217; cafe enormously. I think the difference this year is partly the numbers, and partly a loss of innocence: lots of good things happened by serendipity last year, and because nobody was expecting anything, nobody seemed to have hidden agendas like self-promotion &#8212; which I don&#8217;t know is objectively the case by the way.</p>
<p>Perhaps everyone is just trying too hard to make it exciting?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Growing Pains at NECC&#8217;s EduBloggerCon 08 by vvrotny</title>
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		<dc:creator>vvrotny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes, I did have a good experience at EduBloggerCon. As you may remember, I was one who stayed and participated the entire day. Rather than simply talk about the experiences, I wanted to try to identify the elephant in the room. I do think we allow technology to sometimes get in our way and agree that we cannot always at events. I know this is why I subscribe to your podcasts, because you do take the time to record them. However, watching you moderate sessions, you never seem to let this get in your way.

Pearson's presence was a good idea in my opinion. I did not mind that they want to amplify the possibilities (hey, this sounds like a great conference theme ;) ).

I want to help shape a great experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes, I did have a good experience at EduBloggerCon. As you may remember, I was one who stayed and participated the entire day. Rather than simply talk about the experiences, I wanted to try to identify the elephant in the room. I do think we allow technology to sometimes get in our way and agree that we cannot always at events. I know this is why I subscribe to your podcasts, because you do take the time to record them. However, watching you moderate sessions, you never seem to let this get in your way.</p>
<p>Pearson&#8217;s presence was a good idea in my opinion. I did not mind that they want to amplify the possibilities (hey, this sounds like a great conference theme ;) ).</p>
<p>I want to help shape a great experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Growing Pains at NECC&#8217;s EduBloggerCon 08 by Wesley Fryer</title>
		<link>http://vvrotny.edublogs.org/2008/06/29/growing-pains-at-neccs-edubloggercon-08/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Fryer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinnie: I agree with many of your points-- especially the layout of the rooms. Just like in our classrooms, the physical spaces we occupy in many ways define our interactions or at least influence them strongly. In my own session on digital storytelling, I was surprised by how many people were there. I wanted everyone to come to the front and put their chairs in a circle, but that was not possible given the space constraints. I think one way we can address this next year is to break into smaller groups, offer more sessions, and utilize smaller rooms.

On the recording issue, I think overall it was a compliment that Pearson wanted to record, share and amplify some of the ideas shared at this event. I agree that if you're trying to record a session that can detract from your ability to listen, process, and reflect-- but I also think it can be a great value for others who can't physically attend the event to have it recorded. It also can permit other voices to participate. One of the students at SLA participated in our leadership discussion because of the Ustream channel, and Chris Lehman was able to bring some of those points into the discussion. That couldn't have happened with just a face to face discussion that didn't involve any streaming.

With this group, I think it is natural that people are going to push boundaries. That is what innovators do. I also think change is inevitable, and growth is a good thing in terms of participation. Hopefully our dialogs about these issues will lead to an even better EduBloggerCon next year, and in the months ahead which will take place at different venues. I agree Steve deserves lots of thanks for all his work in coordinating this. I personally found the event very worthwhile and fun. Some things can change, but I was very glad I went and participated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinnie: I agree with many of your points&#8211; especially the layout of the rooms. Just like in our classrooms, the physical spaces we occupy in many ways define our interactions or at least influence them strongly. In my own session on digital storytelling, I was surprised by how many people were there. I wanted everyone to come to the front and put their chairs in a circle, but that was not possible given the space constraints. I think one way we can address this next year is to break into smaller groups, offer more sessions, and utilize smaller rooms.</p>
<p>On the recording issue, I think overall it was a compliment that Pearson wanted to record, share and amplify some of the ideas shared at this event. I agree that if you&#8217;re trying to record a session that can detract from your ability to listen, process, and reflect&#8211; but I also think it can be a great value for others who can&#8217;t physically attend the event to have it recorded. It also can permit other voices to participate. One of the students at SLA participated in our leadership discussion because of the Ustream channel, and Chris Lehman was able to bring some of those points into the discussion. That couldn&#8217;t have happened with just a face to face discussion that didn&#8217;t involve any streaming.</p>
<p>With this group, I think it is natural that people are going to push boundaries. That is what innovators do. I also think change is inevitable, and growth is a good thing in terms of participation. Hopefully our dialogs about these issues will lead to an even better EduBloggerCon next year, and in the months ahead which will take place at different venues. I agree Steve deserves lots of thanks for all his work in coordinating this. I personally found the event very worthwhile and fun. Some things can change, but I was very glad I went and participated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NECC - A Call for Arms? by Kevin Hansen</title>
		<link>http://vvrotny.edublogs.org/2008/06/29/necc-a-call-for-arms/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll join you in defending the informality.  My opinion is that this was one of the things I most benefited from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll join you in defending the informality.  My opinion is that this was one of the things I most benefited from.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Growing Pains at NECC&#8217;s EduBloggerCon 08 by Podcast 260: EduBloggerCon 2008, Recording, Intellectual Property and Recording: A Conversation with Elaine Roberts of Pearson &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</title>
		<link>http://vvrotny.edublogs.org/2008/06/29/growing-pains-at-neccs-edubloggercon-08/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>Podcast 260: EduBloggerCon 2008, Recording, Intellectual Property and Recording: A Conversation with Elaine Roberts of Pearson &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on NECC - A Call for Arms? by Cathy Nelson</title>
		<link>http://vvrotny.edublogs.org/2008/06/29/necc-a-call-for-arms/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One issue brought up was the large numbers --200+.  I wonder if the classroom 2.0 meet up had been held separate from Edublogger Con would that have helped?  I think many, including myself, wanted to recreate the atmosphere that was found last year in Atlanta, but with so many unknown people it was difficult.  I did however strive to cultivate discussions with a few new faces since they were present, and some of these discussions were healthy and mind stroking for me. Example--&#62;Carolyn Foote and Virginia ___(cant think of her last name right now) who both are school teacher librarians like myself.  Neither were in attendance last year.  I also fretted about the room set up thinking it as not conducie to conversations where everyone would feel they had equal footing.  The typical conference set up kind of also kept the conversations form flowing, and kept the wallflowers there on the walls.  Oh well. I did very much enjoy the filtering session.  It felt very much like Educon and EdubloggerCon from last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One issue brought up was the large numbers &#8211;200+.  I wonder if the classroom 2.0 meet up had been held separate from Edublogger Con would that have helped?  I think many, including myself, wanted to recreate the atmosphere that was found last year in Atlanta, but with so many unknown people it was difficult.  I did however strive to cultivate discussions with a few new faces since they were present, and some of these discussions were healthy and mind stroking for me. Example&#8211;&gt;Carolyn Foote and Virginia ___(cant think of her last name right now) who both are school teacher librarians like myself.  Neither were in attendance last year.  I also fretted about the room set up thinking it as not conducie to conversations where everyone would feel they had equal footing.  The typical conference set up kind of also kept the conversations form flowing, and kept the wallflowers there on the walls.  Oh well. I did very much enjoy the filtering session.  It felt very much like Educon and EdubloggerCon from last year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Growing Pains at NECC&#8217;s EduBloggerCon 08 by John Maklary</title>
		<link>http://vvrotny.edublogs.org/2008/06/29/growing-pains-at-neccs-edubloggercon-08/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>John Maklary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinnie,

well articulated post. I did NOT attend last year so I can't make a personal comparison. But, like you and many others, it felt just like another conference. I didn't really know what to expect but I certainly did NOT expect what I saw on Saturday.

Your call to help organize and help is a noble one. But in doing so, aren't we still propagating all what is not right with a pre-fab un-conference? Why not just let it flow without much planning? Just give the space and let it happen. No planning, no schedule, just space for people to gather, share, and learn.

I'll see you in the cafe this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinnie,</p>
<p>well articulated post. I did NOT attend last year so I can&#8217;t make a personal comparison. But, like you and many others, it felt just like another conference. I didn&#8217;t really know what to expect but I certainly did NOT expect what I saw on Saturday.</p>
<p>Your call to help organize and help is a noble one. But in doing so, aren&#8217;t we still propagating all what is not right with a pre-fab un-conference? Why not just let it flow without much planning? Just give the space and let it happen. No planning, no schedule, just space for people to gather, share, and learn.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see you in the cafe this week.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Growing Pains at NECC&#8217;s EduBloggerCon 08 by Jacques</title>
		<link>http://vvrotny.edublogs.org/2008/06/29/growing-pains-at-neccs-edubloggercon-08/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot comment on NECC’s EduBloggerCon 08, since I was on the RiverWalk with friends ;-) but after reading your interesting comments here, I can't help but think of Surowiecki's advice: "Be careful of talkative people, they become hubs, they shape the way the discussion is going".

I am quite sure this feedback will help make the next EduBloggerCon even better.  Growing pains lead to sustainability and the people driving this event will surely want to do better what they already do well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot comment on NECC’s EduBloggerCon 08, since I was on the RiverWalk with friends ;-) but after reading your interesting comments here, I can&#8217;t help but think of Surowiecki&#8217;s advice: &#8220;Be careful of talkative people, they become hubs, they shape the way the discussion is going&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am quite sure this feedback will help make the next EduBloggerCon even better.  Growing pains lead to sustainability and the people driving this event will surely want to do better what they already do well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Surviving NECC, pt. 2 by Terry Freedman</title>
		<link>http://vvrotny.edublogs.org/2008/06/29/surviving-necc-pt-2/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would definitely agree, Vinnie. When I was at NECC in San Diego, all there was to eat in the conference itself was cakes and other rubbish. I started to take fruit and bagels with me from hotel. Last year it was much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would definitely agree, Vinnie. When I was at NECC in San Diego, all there was to eat in the conference itself was cakes and other rubbish. I started to take fruit and bagels with me from hotel. Last year it was much better.</p>
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